Talk:Primordus

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Location

In Edge of Destiny, the awakening of Primordus is said to take place next to Rata Sum ("The signs of the dragonrise were everywhere: The earthquake that shook Rata Sum"). Yet, in GW1, the location of the Central Transfer Chamber (i.e. Primordus) is in the Shiverpeaks. Which is correct? pling 14:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Maybe that's referring to the incredible power of the dragon by saying that the earthquake even hit Rata Sum? Idk, tbh.-- Shew 14:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

If I had to guess i would say that what happened near rata sum is just from the champion not primdoris himself. I think that Prim is still near the central transfer chamber, because if you remember in GW:EN there are destroyers near rata sum at times despite Prim being in a state of hibernation yet.--Elemental Phantom 16:45, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Primordus is at the hub of Asuran energy mining, maybe he abused the power of Asura gates to cause harm? - Infinite - talk 16:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: That said, he'd still be operating from the CTC. - Infinite - talk 16:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

1) That bit from the book was talking about the signs of Kralkatorrik rising. Not the other ED rising. 2) Primordus is not near the CTCanymore. Read the article: "Primordus has remained underneath the surface since its awakening, clearing huge tracks of the underground regions". Or just look at the source: [1]. "Primordus has remained beneath the surface, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t moved around. He has been clearing huge tracks of the underground regions of the world [...]" -- Konig/talk 19:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I was sure the book is talking about all the other elder dragons, not just Kralkatorrik - it mentions the tidal wave that flooded Lion's Arch (Zhaitan), the geysers erupting near Hoelbrak (Jormag), and the earthquake near Rata Sum (Primordus? Or maybe Deep Sea Dragon...?). It then describes Kralk's rise - the pall over the Black Citadel. However... I don't know, it's a little ambiguously written. "Tyria had been wracked by such terrible birth pangs before" does support your conclusion...

Also, I was talking about where Primordus was when he rose, not afterwards. pling 00:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

For the primordus part - I was referring to Infinite and Elemental Phantom. With the present tense and the "still." He was very much in the CTC during his own awakening. That, plus the line you last quoted, imo, proves that this isn't about the awakenings of the dragons. Also note: Hoelbrak didn't exist when Jormag woke, nor were there geysers affiliated with him (to our knowledge). Those things would probably be more affiliated with Primordus (being of fire and underground and everything). Also, it didn't say that LA was flooded, merely that ships were carried onto its streets. Though it was at least partially flooded, it was not to the extent of Zhaitan which flooded half of Kryta. These sound more like the other Elder Dragons are getting restless because a fifth is waking up. 03:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

On a semi-related note, why is Kralk's rise said to be near the Black Citadel, when he was surely closer to the Flame Citadel, even if you take into account his size? (See the map.) pling 11:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm guessing you're referring to the "pall over the black citadel" part of the book? Note that comment was prior to Kralkatorrik's actual awakening, so it wasn't Kralkatorrik near the Black Citadel. -- Konig/talk 19:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Minions

So, if the Stone Dwarves are "Ensuring Primordus' minions never reach the surface" why "As the result of his actions, Primordus minions can be found all over the surface?" Does this mean the destroyers are on the surface or no? Or does he have several different types of minions? 67.249.45.168 20:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

"Ensuring Primordus' minions never reach the surface" is what they are trying to do, we know that they slipped through though. - Giant Nuker 21:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Also keep in mind that 250 years passed and Tyria is pretty big. The dwarves' numbers are likely so thin now there's probably next to nothing stopping Primordus' minions from reaching the surface. Course, that's just speculation on my part. Konig/talk 22:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Gender

In the referenced interview, Mr. Grubb continuosly refers to Primordus as "he." In this article both "it" and "he" are used, so perhaps we should find out which one is more (or less) correct in this case. Any ideas? Mediggo 13:22, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Konig will probably walk in and prove me utterly wrong, but are we aware of any of their offspring? Before we discover its gender, we need to establish if it even has one. I'm inclined to think they don't have a sex, in which case we can call it whatever. I vote for 'Steve'. A F K When Needed 14:30, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

srry the bubbles thing got old fast so we'll just have to keep Primordus here :P also I myself think the elder dragons don't have a gender either. (and the wiki should treat them like that until gender has been confirmed) --The Holy Dragons 15:17, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Glint has a gender, so most likely these big ones too. -- Cyan 16:24, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

"The races of Tyria are unable to understand their [...] gender" - Elder Dragon. The gender bit came from the devs after an interview called Kralkatorrik "she" a few times. Edge of Destiny has shown Glint referring to Kralk as a male, but the genders of all other dragons are unknown - the devs have been using he a bit for them though, but he/him/his is often used as gender-neutral as well as referring to males.

In short: We don't know Primordus' gender and anything shy of the ED or their champions claiming a gender (or a direct word-of-god from anet saying "xyz is abc") is not valid to claim a gender. Konig/talk 21:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Feedback 2016/07/26

The spoiler on this page doesn't actually hide the spoiler and I have no idea how to fix it. --Industria (talk) 04:29, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. I put the parameters backwards. Konig 04:32, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

"Many great destroyers"

"Dwarven legends tell of many Great Destroyers which are today believed to reference to Primordus and its armies."
I can't find a source for this quote at all. It's also mentioned in the Dwarf article but again, without a source. The only similar thing I could find was the The Elder Dragons book. 77.165.250.227 16:51, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

That book is the source and isn't "similar" but practically verbatim. We do not cite in-game sources otherwise articles would be flooded with references (we tested it back with the gww when we began using reference tags, it looked bad). Konig (talk) 17:24, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Looks very different from the old statue

Given how dramatically different his appearance is now from the old statue near the Central Transfer Chamber that was supposed to be him (much larger, very different face, etc. etc.), what are the odds we get some sort of retcon saying that the old statue was actually another champion? Lysander (talk) 03:13, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

That's already been addressed. Looks like they're saying, "We never said that was Primordus." G R E E N E R 05:14, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

That video...I'm silently dying of laughter of the giant SAB alligator standing in for Primordus. XD - Do_odleplex 05:48, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

The irony, Greener, is that they did say it was Primordus. Many. Dozens. Times. Konig (talk) 19:10, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Gender

With Jormag in the trailer for Truce referring to Primordus as 'he' throughout the trailer, should the pronouns on this article be changed? Sunlion (talk) 01:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

The gender of the Elder Dragons is a topic so complex and elusive that it practically cannot be determined with any certainty. For example, Jormag is currently addressed as non-binary, though the Sons of Svanir refer to them as male. Kralkatorrik has likewise been referred to as both "it" and "him"; it would seem that he personally preferred "him" based on his later interactions. So, unless Primordus suddenly jumps out of the lava and explicitly states a gender, we cannot really know. Braham—or perhaps some surviving Stone Summit dwarf—might have a clue, though. As for Jormag's own statements on the matter, I would borrow one of Braham's quotes from Icebrood Saga: "Jormag LIES." So, I don't really trust a word from that frigid lizard. For all we know, Primordus could just be a genderless head sticking out of the lava.The almighty, all-knowing, generally omniscient, honored and beloved master Anomalous (talk) 16:25, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Noting that this talk page comment is five years old. Also, there is no reason for Jormag to have lied about that, and Soo-Won uses he/him pronouns for Primordus in Mother's Lament. Sunlion (talk) 16:40, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Jormag is the Elder Dragon of Persuasion, so they might lie about whatever they see fit, for whatever reason—and if others fail to identify it as a lie, then all the better. Soo-Won does not really help either. She probably had not seen Primordus for at least several millennia, and while she should know him better than anyone, her testimony is still ultimately just her own statement. Personally, I do believe Primordus would address himself as "him," as I have done so throughout this discussion myself. Unfortunately, there is simply no direct evidence strong enough to support that conclusion with certainty. On the other hand, one can address an Elder Dragon however one sees fit. I could call Jormag male if I wanted to, just as others might choose different pronouns altogether. Speaking of Jormag, it would actually fit their character remarkably well if they chose their pronouns according to the preferences of whoever they happened to be manipulating at the time. But then again, we're talking about the Fire Dragon here, not the Ice one. (If we were to take the idea to its logical extreme, then, should Primordus be "he", Jormag ought to be "she", simply because the two are portrayed as nearly perfect opposites.)The almighty, all-knowing, generally omniscient, honored and beloved master Anomalous (talk) 13:06, 7 June 2026 (UTC)