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== Deletion ==
I'd rather not see this image get deleted, as it is showing a different risen charr model than [[:File:Risen Brute (charr female).jpg]]. This image appears to be an engineer with mace/pistol, while the other image is a warrior with a hammer. [[user talk:Greener|<span style="font-weight:normal"><span style="color:#030"> G R </span> <span style="color:#070"> E E </span> <span style="color:#0B0"> N E </span> <span style="color:#0F0"> R </span></span>]] 03:29, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:I agree on not deleting it. The only thing I see similar is they both have a bony tail, nothing else is the same. - [[User talk:Doodleplex|<span style="color:#ff4000"><b>D</b>o</span><span style="color:#ff8000"><sub><b>o</b></sub>d</span><span style="color:#ffcc00"><i>l</i>e</span><span style="color:#5A0">p<i>l</i></span><span style="color:#0099cc"><b>e</b>x</span>]] 04:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::Hello, uploader here. I've submitted this picture because some enemy NPCs from [[Conscript the Dead Ships]] had missing pictures.
::This image was taken from battle against [[Risen Captain Redeye]].
::<small>A bit hard to get good screenshots during battle, with allied NPC -including pet- spamming conditions to enemies, and having to manage to navigate (and survive?) with "Hide UI" toggled on.</small>
::<small>Probably gonna update "Redeye" and "charr pirate" pages to display this more accurate picture. Planning on redoing the Personal Story again, just to make sure NPC appearance isn't randomly chosen (a bit time consuming, because you can't "replay" Personal Stories like we do with Living Seasons 2 and 3).</small>
::<small>When I was going to upload a picture for [[Risen Captain Yejj]], I found there was already a image for Risen Asura; probably wrong model as well, since Yejj seemed to be a bald helm-less asura with a hammer (or a mace); my screenshot attempts failed miserably, though, due to height discrepancy (lots of pictures of just the tip of the bald head) and/or conditions visual effects + fatty NPC (pet + Elli's Hologram) blocking the view.</small>
::<small>[[Risen Captain Itnaya]] also seem to have the incorrect model.</small>
::Since people seems to agree that both pictures feature different NPCs and as such should not be considered duplicated, perhaps it would be better to rename them for clarifications. Something like "charr male enginee" vs "charr male warrior" or "charr male wielding [[Orrian Mace]] and [[Orrian Pistol]]" vs "charr male wielding [unnamed] hammer". <small>I don't even know if we have some [[Weapon#Weapon usability by professions|class that can combine]] a mace with a pistol. Sure, Rytlock (warrior) could use an off-hand pistol, but that's beyond this discussion...</small>
::<strong>tl;dr.</strong>
::Pictures should be renamed. Might need to review some NPC pages to use the most accurate image. --[[User talk:NIN37|NIN37]] 04:51, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Since you added it initially to [[Risen Charr Pirate]] can I assume that was the name of NPC that looked like this image, or was it called "Risen Brute"? As for the story NPCs, I'll look into seeing who looks like what since many story NPCs do have unique appearances. - [[User talk:Doodleplex|<span style="color:#ff4000"><b>D</b>o</span><span style="color:#ff8000"><sub><b>o</b></sub>d</span><span style="color:#ffcc00"><i>l</i>e</span><span style="color:#5A0">p<i>l</i></span><span style="color:#0099cc"><b>e</b>x</span>]] 03:02, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
::::As I said earlier, ''some enemy NPCs from [[Conscript the Dead Ships]] had missing pictures''. I was looking for pictures for the bosses (Veteran Captain).
::::Long story short: Asura armor sets are gender-less, while Charr armor set are gender-specific. Found a somehow adequate picture (but not the correct one) for [[Risen Captain Yejj|asura captain]], but none for [[Risen Captain Redeye|charr captain]].
::::Yes, [[Risen Charr Pirate]] and [[Risen Captain Redeye|charr captain]] from [[Conscript the Dead Ships]] mission should use this image instead of [[Risen Brute|Risen Brute (charr male)]].
::::[[Risen Captain Coloyaqui|Hylek captain]] picture seems OK, but [[Risen Captain Itnaya|human]], [[Risen Captain Redeye|charr]] and [[Risen Captain Yejj|asura]] are wrong (should look closer to [[Risen Thrall]] than [[Risen Brute]]).
::::I was going to redo the story again to look for missing pictures (most of my screenshots ended up really bad, with awry camera angle / too much visual pollution due to boons + conditions + bad positioned NPCs / weirdly cropped NPC behind obstacles or at edge of the screen / missing graphic elements due to poor performance PC), but found myself short of time, due to real life issues plus the fact that Zaithan story does not allow to "replay" a given "chapter" (therefor, you'd need to do the whole Personal Story all over again with a new toon or find somebody else doing that part of the story and willing to party with you).
::::So, yeah, picture should probably be renamed to Risen Charr Pirate and used for [[Risen Charr Pirate]] and [[Risen Captain Redeye|Redeye]] pages. --[[User talk:NIN37|NIN37]] 01:04, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the information about how the NPCs looked, it's really appreciated and helpful, as now I know exactly who to look for that episode. =) - [[User talk:Doodleplex|<span style="color:#ff4000"><b>D</b>o</span><span style="color:#ff8000"><sub><b>o</b></sub>d</span><span style="color:#ffcc00"><i>l</i>e</span><span style="color:#5A0">p<i>l</i></span><span style="color:#0099cc"><b>e</b>x</span>]] 19:04, 24 July 2017 (UTC)